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urb_aстатья про львовский погром 1918 г. в английской Википедии:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_pogrom_(1918)
несколько цитат:
The Lwów pogrom (also called the Lemberg pogrom) of the Jewish population of Lwów (now Lviv) took place on November 21–23, 1918 during the Polish-Ukrainian War. In the course of the three days of unrest in the city, an estimated 52-150 Jewish residents were murdered and hundreds injured, with widespread looting carried out by Polish soldiers,[1][2][3][4][5][6] lawless civilians,[4][7] and local criminals.[7] 270 more Ukrainian Christians were killed during this time as well."[8][9] The Poles did not stop the pogrom until two days after it began (...).
Following the retreat of main Ukrainian forces and the disarming and interning of the Jewish militia by the Polish army, Polish troops, including some officers, civilians, criminals, and Polish militia volunteers began the sacking, pillaging and burning of the town's Jewish quarter.[7][10] William W. Hagen quotes Jewish eyewitnesses who stated that as the Ukrainian soldiers retreated a festive mood came over the Polish fighters as they anticipated their reward for their fighting - the looting of Jewish stores and homes.[21] In addition to looting and killing, women were raped by the Polish mobs (...)
According to William Hagen in addition to robbing or killing the Jews, the Polish forces made sure to humiliate them. Some examples, according to Hagen included, a group of Jewish gymnasium students being forced into compulsory labor where they were the victims of "pranks" such as being forced to jump over tables; Jewish intelligentsia being forced to work in the most demeaning jobs such as cleaning latrines; Polish soldiers pulling Jews by their beards into a street and forcing them to dance to the delight of Polish onlookers; one drunken soldier tried to cut off an elderly Jewish man's earlocks but when the man resisted he shot him and plundered the corpse.[27] Hagen also states that according to Jewish witnesses, in addition to Polish soldiers, Polish civilians of various social classes including members of the intelligentsia took part in murdering and robbing Jews (...)
Polish forces were able to brought order to the city after one or two days (reports vary), on November 23 or November 24.[10][11] Ad hoc courts handed verdicts during the riots.[11] About one thousand people were jailed for participating in the riots.[10][11] Mączyński notes that between 1300 to 1500 people were jailed by Polish authorities, primarily Ukrainians (60%), the rest Polish (30%), but also some Jewish criminals (10%).[7] (...)
Figures for the death toll vary; according to William W. Hagen, citing a report prepared for the Polish Foreign Ministry, approximately 150 Jews were murdered and 500 Jewish shops and their businesses were ransacked,[10] while the 1919 Morgenthau report counted 64 Jewish deaths. A simultaneous British government investigation led by Sir Stuart Samuel reported that 52 Jews were killed, 463 injured and a large amount of Jewish property was stolen.[40] Jewish contemporary sources reported 73 deaths;[10] official city documents support only 41 deaths.[7] Mączyński, the Polish officer involved in the violence, claimed that some of Jewish deaths were a result of combat between Polish forces and Jewish Ukrainian sympathizers.[7] However, the last Ukrainian soldier had left the city and the Jews offered no armed resistance.[38] According to Tadeusz Piotrowski, in the chaotic events of the riot, more Christians than Jews have died,[8] and Morgenthau Report, for example, raised a question of whether the label pogrom it technically applicable to such riots in the times of war.[8] The report submitted to Polish Foreign Ministry cited by Hagen characterized the incident as a pogrom, and criticized the inaction of Polish officials in failing to halt the violence, while accusing the officials of publicizing inflammatory charges against Lwów's Jews.[10] Historian Norman Davies has cited figures of 340 total deaths in the violence, of whom two thirds were Ukrainian Christians and the remaining 70 were Jews.[9]
Уссаться можно, дорогие друзья. Краткий перевод текста выше:
После ухода украинской армии из Львова поляки, находясь в festive mode (праздничном настроении), 21-23.11.1918 устроили в городе еврейский погром, в ходе которого убили, по разным оценкам, от 52 до 150 евреев, и 270 украинцев. В погроме участвововали польские солдаты, офицеры, добровольцы из польской милиции и Polish civilians of various social classes including members of the intelligentsia (польское гражданское население, из разных социальных слоев, включая интеллигенцию).
Помимо разграбления 500 магазинов, изнасилования женщин и проч., погромщики устраивали публичные унижения евреев, заставляя их мыть туалеты, плясать на столах, обрезали бороды итд. Некий пьяный польский воин докопался до еврея, пытаясь отрезать у него пейсы, но чего-то это у него не получилось, после чего он застрелил его и стал шмонать труп с целью сп_издить чего-нибудь. Поляки, включая интеллигенцию, не могли остановится 2 дня. Потом военное командование навело порядок.
По сведениям польского командующего Чеслава Мащинского за участие в погроме было арестовано примерно 1300-1500 человек, 60% из которых - украинцы, 30% - поляки, и 10% - евреи.
Охуительный еврейский погром получился, я считаю. Польская армия, милиция, польское население, включая интеллигенцию, будучи в "праздничном" настроении (судя по всему - в говно) , грабанули 500 магазинов, убили 52-150 евреев, 270 украинцев, а потом польские власти железной рукой навели в городе порядок: повязали полторы тысячи особо рьяных погромщиков, 60% из которых оказались украинцы, а 10% - евреи. Т.е. поляки устроили погром евреев и до кучи украинцев, и обвинили в нем - их же. Вот откуда свидомые герои черпали-то и черпают передовой опыт_)).
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Date: 2012-08-08 10:34 am (UTC)вот что про 1941 пишут: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lviv_pogroms
Once German forces entered and occupied Lviv after the Soviets' hasty retreat, an ad hoc Ukrainian militia - which would later be reorganized as the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police - was created to spearhead the first pogrom. Jakob Weiss in his Lemberg Mosaic claims that initially the Ukrainian militia acted independently - with the blessings of the Nazis - but later was limited to joint operations (Aktions) with German military units or otherwise functioned directly under Nazi command. The Ukrainian militia also received assistance from the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (at least one member of the OUN(B), one Ivan Kovalyshyn, has been identified by John Paul Himka from several photograph of the pogrom), unorganized civilian Ukrainian nationalists, as well as from ordinary citizens - many of whom were youths. Holocaust scholar and survivor from Lwow, Filip Friedman, researched this event and uncovered an official Report of the Reich Security Main Office (dated July 16, 1941) which documents the massacre as follows: "During the first hours after the departure of the Bolsheviks [i.e. the Soviet Army], the Ukrainian population took praisworthy action against the Jews... About 7,000 Jews were seized and shot by the [Ukrainian] police in retribution for inhuman acts of cruelty [at Brygidki and the other prisons]..."[3] However, according to Vitaly Nachmanovich that number is inflated, and about 700 Jews were murdered during this pogrom initially, with 3,500 more shot by the Einsatzgruppe.[4]
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Date: 2012-08-08 10:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-08-08 10:38 am (UTC)значит, статья в Вики про подвиги поляков, включая интеллигенцию, в 1918 г. -тебя устраивает.
а вот статья про подвиги украинцев в 1941 г. там же - не нравится.
какой из тебя историк, епт.
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Date: 2012-08-08 10:42 am (UTC)*значит, статья в Вики про подвиги поляков, включая интеллигенцию, в 1918 г. -тебя устраивает
Цитатку можна у студію, де я писав, що Вікіпедія у цьому випадку мене влаштовує?
Вікіпедія як джерело, мене не влаштовує у будь-якому з випадків, у прив'язці до погрому ім. 31 червня, чи поза ним.
Я над тобою і твоєю Вікіпедією у даному випадку просто постібався від душі, а ти повівся, друх.
Привіт 10% євреїв у складі погромників і українсько-польській міліції. Хай Хімка нову статтю напише, а ти йому картинками допоможеш.
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Date: 2012-08-08 10:47 am (UTC)поляки устроили погром против евреев, и украинцев до кучи, а обвинили в нем ... - их же.
собственное скотство замакировали брехней.
вот я и говорю: поляки - ваши учителя.
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Date: 2012-08-08 10:49 am (UTC)